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Ipro Announces an Industry Track for the Ipro Tech Show

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Tempe, Ariz. Apr 8, 2019 – Ipro Tech, LLC, a global leader in eDiscovery and Trial software technology announced today the introduction of a new industry track featuring leading experts in eDiscovery. Ipro Tech Show highlights the company’s dedication to simplifying the process from eDiscovery to Trial. The show provides attendees insights into quality industry knowledge, legal technology futures, productivity drivers, education and training. The Ipro Tech Show will be held April 29 – May 1, 2019.

Ipro is introducing an Industry Track this year. This track will include the trends and hot topics affecting eDiscovery from industry thought leaders, such as tackling Information Governance and Incident Response and Data Breaches, TAR and Analytics and EDRM Metrics. This additional track arms attendees with relevant information directly impacting the Legal industry. In addition to our new Industry Track, Ipro is pleased to announce Keynote Speaker, Kevin Surace, Futurist and Disruptive Innovator, who will speak about AI, future trends and how to use AI to Future Proof your work with Ipro.

“We’re excited to host our customers and industry friends at our user conference offering CLE credits through The Sedona Conference, product training and certification, and hands-on opportunities. This year, we’re delivering even more relevant content with our industry track to our attendees,” said Ipro CEO Dean Brown.

Before and after the conference, Ipro offers comprehensive training and certification courses for its most popular offerings that attendees with an All Access pass can register for, enhancing the conference experience.
Conference highlights include a Monday night Welcome Reception, a chance to meet and connect with Ipro professionals, a Tuesday night dinner including entertainment, networking opportunities with industry peers and an evening of fun with giveaways and prizes. Tuesday and Wednesday mornings, attendees can participate in a 45-minute yoga session. The show wraps up midday on Wednesday with final training ending on Thursday.

Ipro Tech Show 2019 is held at Talking Stick Resort in beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona, which also offers visitors two golf courses, The Spa at Talking Stick, several live entertainment venues and a casino. Spring temperatures in Arizona average in the high 80’s, a perfect opportunity to get a head start on summer vacation with the family. Additional details and event registration can be found at https://techshow.iprotech.com

Sponsorship opportunities are available.

Ipro – Simplifying the Process from Discovery to Trial.

About Ipro Tech, LLC
Ipro is a global leader in eDiscovery technology used by legal professionals to streamline discovery of electronic data through presentation at trial. Ipro draws upon decades of innovation to deliver high-performance software, services and support; bundled as a solution and deployed the way you want it; desktop, On-prem or Cloud, significantly reducing the cost and complexity of eDiscovery.

The Verdict Is In: Trial Presentation Software vs PowerPoint

Trialdirector by Ipro

PowerPoint has long been used by attorneys in trial, but is it the best option out there when taking your argument to the jury? An important factor during trial is holding the jury’s attention, relaying the facts of the case in a clear and effective manner and presenting evidence in the most persuasive way to convince the jury to side with your client. While PowerPoint can be a great choice for opening remarks and closing arguments, there is so much more that goes into a compelling case.

Dynamic Presentation

With the technology-heavy world we live in, it’s no surprise jurors expect a certain amount of that tech to follow them into a courtroom. The plethora of law focused TV shows like Bull and CSI helps to perpetuate that idea, so much so that there’s a term for it, The CSI Effect. As courtroom technology becomes even more pervasive, jurors will continue to expect a sophisticated argument during trial.

While it may not be realistic to implement the level of tech in fictional television dramas, it is possible to move away from foam boards and the limitations of linear presentations like PowerPoint and embrace the dynamic presentation.

Dynamic presentation lets you jump to different exhibits, zoom in on particular points in a document to draw the jury’s attention, and display synchronized deposition videos with a transcript of text for jurors to follow along. As you move effortlessly through the evidence, the jurors won’t be able to take their eyes or attention off of you.

Captivate the Jury

The course of a case can shift during trial with unexpected events. Preparation for the unexpected builds juror confidence in the evidence presented. Don’t lose them searching through slides while the expediency of your argument is diminished. Instead, adjust in real time seamlessly adapting to changes. Newly admissible evidence? It’s easily available. A witness answers differently on the stand than in the deposition? Bring up their synchronized video depo for a surefire impeachment. The jury’s attention will stay focused on the details of the case, not the logistics of attorneys sorting through case files.

The Transition

Worried about making the switch? Getting started using TrialDirector is easy. With an intuitive user interface, you can get documents loaded and start putting your case together in a snap. Or grab the resources in MyIpro to help you set up your case. Once you’re ready for more, training is available to unlock the technology’s fullest potential. And if you aren’t quite ready to walk away from PowerPoint completely, that’s okay. You can convert your PowerPoint slides to PDF and upload them to TrialDirector and take advantage of the robust tools available.

While PowerPoint has its place in the courtroom, its features are limited. Why not use a software program specifically designed for trial to prepare, deliver, and ultimately, wow the jury? When you’re ready to take your trial presentation to the next level, you’re ready for TrialDirector 360.

Learn more on our website.

Join us at the Ipro Tech Show April 29 – May 1 for training, hands-on workshops, and networking. Learn more and register today.

Ipro Announces the Return of The Sedona Conference® to its Ipro Tech Show

Tempe, Ariz. March 8, 2019 – Ipro, a global leader in eDiscovery and Trial software technology announced today that The Sedona Conference will again produce CLE sessions at its annual user conference.  The Sedona Conference will offer three accredited programs on Tuesday April 30, 2019:

  1.  Legal Holds for Collections and Preservation: A Look at the New Sedona Guidelines;
  2. GDPR, CCPA and More: Round-up of State, Federal, and International Privacy Rules; and
  3. Social Media and Mobile Devices – Updated Guidance on Preservation, Processing, and Producing Obligations.

These programs, which draw from The Sedona Conference’s recently published Guidelines and other papers, offer an in depth look at three legal topic areas of critical importance to e-discovery practitioners.

Legal Holds

  • A primer on legal hold law and the impact of the 2015 amendments to the Federal Rules;
  • Determining the scope of the duty to preserve: recent court interpretations;
  • The “reasonableness” standard in implementing preservation;
  • The responsibilities of outside counsel in implementing preservation; and
  • Consequences for failing to meet legal hold obligations.

GDPR and Privacy

  • Understanding the long arm of the GDPR and how it affects e-discovery;
  • Preparing for the California Consumer Privacy Act, even if you don’t do business in California;
  • A rundown of new privacy efforts by state and local governments; and
  • How to do e-discovery in this era of heightened privacy concerns.

The program will help you prepare for, and adjust to, the rapidly evolving privacy and data security environment that we all face today, and–more importantly–will face tomorrow.

Social Media and Mobile Devices

  • Social media discovery is now standard in almost all civil litigation;
  • Text messaging is more prevalent than email in today’s business environment; and
  • Third-party apps are replacing the applications and data that used to be behind the firewall.

All sessions are eligible for Continuing Legal Education credit.

“We are delighted to continue our long-standing relationship with The Sedona Conference and are honored to have them as returning presenters at our show,” said Dean Brown, Ipro CEO.

The conference will feature over 50 other informative breakouts that cover eDiscovery and trial presentation best practices. The show is designed to help users get maximum use of Ipro technology.

In addition to the conference sessions, Ipro is hosting a Monday night Welcome Reception, a chance to meet and connect with the Ipro team. Tuesday night is a buffet style dinner, which provides networking opportunities with industry peers. Additionally, the company offers Product Training and Certifications before and after the conference. The show wraps up midday on Wednesday with final training on Thursday.

Ipro Tech Show 2019 is held at Talking Stick Resort in beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona, which also offers visitors two golf courses, The Spa at Talking Stick, several live entertainment venues and a casino. Spring temperatures in Arizona average in the high 80’s, a perfect opportunity to get a head start on summer vacation with the family. Additional details and event registration can be found at https://techshow.iprotech.com

Ipro – Simplifying the Process from Discovery to Trial.

About Ipro

Ipro is a global leader in eDiscovery technology used by legal professionals to streamline discovery of electronic data through presentation at trial. Ipro draws upon decades of innovation to deliver high-performance software, services and support; bundled as a solution and deployed the way you want it; desktop, On-prem or Cloud, significantly reducing the cost and complexity of eDiscovery.

About The Sedona Conference

The Sedona Conference (TSC) is a nonpartisan, nonprofit 501(c)(3) research and educational institute dedicated to the advanced study of law and policy in the areas of antitrust law, complex litigation, and intellectual property rights. The mission of TSC is to move the law forward in a reasoned and just way through the creation and publication of nonpartisan consensus commentaries and through advanced legal education for the bench and bar.

Ipro Announces Details For The Ipro Tech Show, formerly Innovations

Ipro Tech Show

Tempe, Ariz. Feb 20th, 2019 – Ipro Tech, LLC, a global leader in eDiscovery and Trial software technology announced today additional details for its popular annual user conference. Ipro Tech Show highlights the company’s dedication to simplifying the process from eDiscovery to Trial technology. The show provides attendees insights into quality industry knowledge, legal technology futures, productivity drivers, education and training. The Ipro Tech Show will be held April 29 – May 1, 2019.

“Fresh off a successful showing at Legalweek, we’re excited to celebrate our future with our customers and industry friends at our own user conference that offers CLE credits, training, and hands-on opportunities. What differentiates Ipro from our competitors is that we offer eDiscovery and Trial software, services and support – bundled as a solution. Ipro eDiscovery is deployed the way you want it, Cloud, On-Prem or Desktop,” said Ipro CEO Dean Brown.

Ipro is pleased to announce the return of the Sedona Conference to the 2019 show. The Sedona Conference sessions are among over 50 other informative breakouts that cover eDiscovery and Trial Presentation best practices. Additionally, the company is adding an Industry track to provide attendees information on the trends affecting their work.

Before and after the conference, Ipro offers comprehensive training and certification courses for its most popular offerings that attendees with an All Access pass can register for, enhancing the conference experience.

Conference highlights include a Monday night Welcome Reception, a chance to meet and connect with Ipro professionals, a Tuesday night dinner, entertainment, networking opportunities with industry peers and an evening of fun with giveaways and prizes. The show wraps up midday on Wednesday with final training ending on Thursday. Details on Keynote speakers and additional speakers are to be announced. Early bird registration is closing soon so register today.

Ipro Tech Show 2019 is held at Talking Stick Resort in beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona, which also offers visitors two golf courses, The Spa at Talking Stick, several live entertainment venues and a casino. Spring temperatures in Arizona average in the high 80’s, a perfect opportunity to get a head start on summer vacation with the family. Additional details and event registration can be found at https://techshow.iprotech.com

Sponsorship opportunities are available.

Ipro – Simplifying the Process from Discovery to Trial.

About Ipro Tech, LLC 

Ipro is a global leader in eDiscovery technology used by legal professionals to streamline discovery of electronic data through presentation at trial. Ipro draws upon decades of innovation to deliver high-performance software solutions and services that significantly reduce the cost and complexity of eDiscovery.

Ipro Announces Product Name Changes

Tempe, Ariz. Jan 29, 2019 – Ipro Tech, a global leader in eDiscovery and Trial technology announced today a name change for its flagship eDiscovery product offerings. Ipro offers eDiscovery software, services and support bundled as a solution with two primary offerings- Ipro eDiscovery Cloud (formerly Automated Digital Discovery) and Ipro eDiscovery Desktop (formerly CaseDirector 360). Both products offer the broadest set of features in an end to end solution and can be deployed the way you want it- Cloud, On-Prem or Desktop.

Ipro welcomed Dean Brown as their new CEO in mid-2018, and his fresh view of the potential for Ipro to drive value for its current customers and new clients is the core of Ipro’s focus. Backed by private equity firm, ParkerGale, who share the vision for Ipro’s future and the building of an executive team that can serve the company and industry alike.

The eDiscovery business is a very important part of the fabric of the legal systems in the developed world. The processes are at a juncture where driving productivity is a key focus for the industry and those who practice law; to keep their prices from going through the roof. As the market matures eDiscovery software providers are looking for ways to differentiate themselves. Ipro not only has the edge with its Ipro eDiscovery Suite but also with the decades of talent on staff who love what they do. Ipro embraces a strong set of values; it stands for something, “We are passionate about what we do at Ipro, and we strive to drive productivity to give you back the time to do what you love!” said Ian Faith, Dir of Marketing. Their customers also share their vision and are enthusiastic advocates for the Ipro brand. As we head into this new year 2019, Ipro continues to focus on simplifying the process from discovery to trial.

To learn more about Ipro eDiscovery for Cloud or Desktop, visit Ipro at Legaltech NY, Booth 302 or schedule a private meeting to learn how Ipro can improve your eDiscovery process.

ABOUT Ipro Tech, LLC
Ipro is a global leader in eDiscovery technology used by legal professionals to streamline discovery of electronic data through presentation at trial. Ipro draws upon decades of innovation to deliver high-performance software solutions and services that significantly reduce the cost and complexity of eDiscovery.

Learn more about Ipro Tech at www.iprotech.com

Ian Faith Joins Ipro Tech as Director of Marketing

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Tempe, Ariz. Jan 8th, 2019 – Ipro Tech, a global leader in eDiscovery and Trial technology announced today the appointment of a new member of its executive team, Director of Marketing, Ian Faith. With over 30 years of experience, Faith joins Ipro to bring a fresh new approach to marketing and communications. His history includes go to market strategies for products and services in various markets including; Automotive, Entertainment and Consumer Goods industries, working with clients; Nestle, Universal, P&G, Keurig, Panera, and Ford.

Ipro welcomed Dean Brown as their new CEO in mid 2018, and his fresh view of the potential for Ipro to drive value for its current customers and new clients is the core of Ipro’s focus. Backed by private equity firm, ParkerGale, who share the vision for Ipro’s future and the building of an executive team that can serve the company and industry alike.

The eDiscovery business is a very important part of the fabric of the legal systems in the developed world. The processes are at a juncture where driving productivity is a key focus for the industry and those who practice law to keep their prices from going through the roof. As the market matures eDiscovery software providers are looking for ways to differentiate themselves. Ipro not only has the edge within its Ipro eDiscovery Suite but also within the decades of talent on staff who love what they do. Ipro embraces a strong set of values; it stands for something. Their customers also share their values and are enthusiastic advocates for the Ipro brand. As we head into the new year, Ipro continues to focus on simplifying the complex process from discovery to trial.

“It was a pleasure to meet Dean Brown and hear him talk to the potential and layout the vision for Ipro going forward,” said Faith. “Meeting the rest of the team of truly brilliant people at all levels of the company made it an easy choice to leave my role as Snr VP of Global Marketing at a leading consumer goods software company and join the Ipro team. There is a true passion at Ipro to be a great software company enabled by services and a valuable partner to the legal industry with a consultative approach to engagement.”

About Ipro Tech, LLC 
Ipro is a global leader in eDiscovery technology used by legal professionals to streamline discovery of electronic data through presentation at trial. Ipro draws upon decades of innovation to deliver high-performance software solutions and services that significantly reduce the cost and complexity of eDiscovery.

Learn more about Ipro Tech at www.iprotech.com

Ipro Announces Dates for the Ipro Tech Show, formerly Innovations

Ipro Tech Show

Tempe, Ariz. Jan 7th, 2019 – Ipro Tech, LLC, a global leader in eDiscovery software technology, announced today the 2019 dates and name change for its popular annual user conference. The new name, Ipro Tech Show, reinforces the company’s dedication to simplifying the process from within eDiscovery to Trial litigation software technology. The show provides attendees insights into quality industry knowledge, legal technology futures, productivity drivers, education and training. The Ipro Tech Show will be held April 29 – May 1, 2019. 

“It is an exciting time for Ipro and the show will provide us the platform to celebrate our future with our customers and industry friends. What differentiates Ipro from our competitors is that we offer eDiscovery software, services and support – bundled as a solution. Ipro eDiscovery is deployed the way you want it, Cloud, On-Prem or Desktop,” said Ipro CEO Dean Brown.  

Ipro is excited to announce that there will be new tracks, workshops, and more hands on opportunities for users to interact with the Ipro team. We are also pleased to announce the return of the Sedona Conference to the 2019 show. The Sedona Conference sessions are among over 50 other informative breakouts that cover eDiscovery and Trial Presentation best practices. As always the show is designed to help users get maximum use of their Ipro software technology partnership.  

In addition to the conference and training sessions, Ipro is hosting a Monday night Welcome Reception, a chance to meet and connect with Ipro professionals. Tuesday night brings a buffet style dinner, entertainment, networking opportunities with industry peers and an evening of fun with giveaways and prizes. The show wraps up midday on Wednesday. Details on Keynote speakers and a detailed agenda are to be announced. 

The Ipro Tech Show 2019 is held at Talking Stick Resort in beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona, which also offers visitors two golf courses, a spa, several live entertainment venues and a casino. Additional details and event registration can be found at https://techshow.iprotech.com  

Ipro – Simplifying the Process from Discovery to Trial.  

Can’t wait for April to see us? Come see us at Legaltech New York at booth 302 January 29-31. Set up a meeting with us to learn more about how Ipro can be your legal technology partner.  

About Ipro Tech, LLC 

Ipro is a global leader in eDiscovery technology used by legal professionals to streamline discovery of electronic data through presentation at trial. Ipro draws upon decades of innovation to deliver high-performance software solutions and services that significantly reduce the cost and complexity of eDiscovery.

Ipro Case Study with Chamberlain Hrdlicka

Challenge:

With a thriving practice, the burden of growing discovery volumes was challenging to manage. Chamberlain Hrdlicka had adopted litigation document review, processing, and transcript management software years earlier; however, with exponential growth in client data volumes, the limitations of that software became glaringly evident. They experienced performance and workflow issues on many cases, resulting in a great deal of stress on human resources. As a result, they set out to optimize the firm’s litigation software technology.

Their goals when searching for a new e-discovery solution for the firm and their 125 attorneys were to:

  • Increase ingestion speed by utilizing a distributed computing
  • Improve reviewer efficiency and precision for their legal
  • Reduce stress on their eDiscovery team

Prior to the implementation of the Ipro eDiscovery Suite, they found themselves working nights and weekends waiting for documents to upload into review. Their eDiscovery group could only take on so much work due to the time it took to prepare for review and prepare productions.

Solution

The Ipro eDiscovery Suite provided their firm with powerful processing, review and production capabilities “unlike any we’ve had before,” which allows them to give clients the relevant data they need at quicker speeds. “We’re able to maximize the integrated platform to quickly ingest, cull and search data collections, taking advantage of the advanced analytics features for e-mail threading, deduping, automated clustering and converting relevant documents to TIFF while the review is still in progress.” Chamberlain Hrdlicka

Prior to using Ipro, the process to review a current caseload would require a much larger team of reviewers; now, they can accomplish the same task in less time with significant cost savings. They can conduct a high-level ECA (Early Case Assessment) once the documents are into the review platform to know if there are gaps and whether they have everything they need for the case. The Ipro eDiscovery Suite has allowed them to handle large, intricate cases on a routine basis while mitigating significant impact to their attorneys’ workload. Despite the relatively small team, Chamberlain Hrdlicka can now optimize efficiency and productivity through the use of state-of-the-art technology, setting themselves apart from other firms—both large and small.

Benefits

“The addition of Ipro revolutionized how we work, what services we provide, and the number of resources required to get the work done. Upon implementation, Ipro led us to create a service provider model within our firm, allowing us to save time, resources and money and serve our clients in a more meaningful way.” Chamberlain Hrdlicka

The Ipro eDiscovery Suite ultimately improved the firm’s ability to produce higher quality, streamlined reviews and provided the flexibility to handle cases of any size. Using Ipro, they were able to increase their caseload by hosting over 330 cases and 40TB of data, while still working fewer hours and maintaining a small team. “The workflows are well thought out and the system is intuitive to use, which minimized the learning curve for our technical staff, support personnel and attorneys as they adopted the system.” Chamberlain Hrdlicka

They can offer their clients confidence in what the review process will cost. There won’t be any surprise expenses associated with using a third-party vendor or data hosting fees. They continue to leverage Ipro’s advanced technology to provide innovative, defensible and cost-effective eDiscovery and litigation support services. They can reduce client costs through increased productivity and reduced complexity, rather than by discounting rates.

To learn more about Ipro’s eDiscovery suite and how it can work for you, contact us or visit our website for more information.

 

About Chamberlain Hrdlicka

Chamberlain Hrdlicka is a diversified business law firm with offices in Atlanta, Houston, Philadelphia and San Antonio. The firm represents both public and private companies, as well as individuals and family-owned businesses across the nation. The firm offers counsel in tax planning and tax controversy, corporate, securities and finance, employment law and employee benefits, energy law, estate  planning and administration, intellectual property, international and immigration law, commercial and business litigation, real estate and construction law.

https://www.chamberlainlaw.com/

 

About Ipro Tech, LLC

Simplifying the Process from Discovery to Trial

Ipro is a global leader in eDiscovery technology used by legal professionals to streamline discovery of electronic data through presentation at trial. Ipro draws upon decades of innovation to deliver high-performance software solutions and services that significantly reduce the cost and complexity of eDiscovery.

https://www.iprotech.com

 

3 Tips to Hold the Audience’s Attention During Your Next Trial Presentation- Part 3

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In the previous installment, we reviewed the power of repetition to capture the jury’s attention. If you missed it, be sure to check it out. In this next and final post in the series, we’ll touch on a few more powerful techniques you can use in the courtroom to take your presentation to the next level and be the attorney the jury remembers.

Use Attention Getters
They’re called attention getters for a reason. You don’t want to bore your audience by talking for a long time, especially with a heavy topic, so try changing things up throughout your time in front of them.
When working with a jury, litigators cannot interact with their audience like presenters in normal presentations can, but the attention and focus strategies for other presentation types can still apply. Just tailor them for trial.
Use the following presentation mechanisms to put a little variety and spice into your presentations and examinations.
• Tell an engaging story
• Use a rhetorical question that makes them think more critically about the case
• State a shocking or interesting fact the audience may not be familiar with
• Use a quote from a prominent figure or even something from your case that illustrates your point and sets the mood
• Show an enthralling clip from a video testimony
• Use a prop or creative visual aid that you can hold or use to demonstrate what you’re talking about

Conclusion
Think about what you would want a presenter to do to keep you engaged during trial. What techniques would work best to not only maintain your attention but help you understand the many moving parts of a given case?

Fortunately, the days of file boxes of boring paper exhibits are gone (almost). It’s now possible to use technology combined with compelling storytelling techniques to present your argument to the jury in a way that connects in this modern world. Now, who doesn’t want that?

Learn more about TrialDirector 360 and how it can help you by visiting our website.

3 Tips to Hold the Jury’s Attention During Your Next Trial Presentation- Part 2

In the previous installment, we discussed the initial approach to capturing the jury’s attention. If you missed it, be sure to check it out.

In this next post, we’ll go over a few more important aspects for not only engaging the jury, but best practices to ensure they understand and remember the critical pieces of your argument so when it comes to deliberation, the outcome is in your client’s favor.

Repeat, Repeat, Repeat
In any presentation, if you want your audience to remember what you’re talking about, one of the best tools in your arsenal is to say and show the thing you want them to remember several times.
There’s quite a bit of science to back up the power of repetition. Basically, every time you let your audience see, hear and, best of all, feel what you want, you strengthen the synapses firing in their brain around that thing.
You should know what you want your audience to focus on well before trial starts. In fact, you should decide what that thing is very near to the case outset and then build your strategy around it. Doing this not only helps with knowing what you want your jury to focus on, but it can also help with an organized and efficient trial prep process.

Don’t forget the tools that help you with repetition. With trial presentation software, you can quickly display items you want to keep fresh in the jury’s mind any time you want. No digging through folders and paper to try to find the right document or image. Imagine simply typing a number into your laptop and up pops an important document, image, or video you want the jury to see.

Then, remember you can leave the document or image up. Think about how valuable it is having an image on a large screen for a long period of time as you’re relaying the critical parts of your argument. As you speak, the jury can look and see exactly what you’re talking about. You can zoom in on the image, mark it to focus the jury’s eyes on where you want them to go, and even have the image show side by side with something else that you want to show. You can harness the power of video tools to make an impact on the jury. Impeaching a witness? Imagine the jury’s reaction when you question the witness about signing a document, who then answers ambiguously, but then you produce a video clip of their deposition where they contradict the answer they just provided. Pair that up with the Tear out feature of their signature on the document in question. The jury won’t forget what they saw or you.

Later, if you find the need or wish to drive your point even further, all you need to do is type in that number you assigned again, and the document or image appears just like it did the first time. We cannot overstate how powerful it is using video tools, document management and trial presentation software to supplement your presentations.

Found these tips helpful? Tune in next week for the final tip in this series.

If you’re ready to take your trial presentation to the next level, read more about TrialDirector 360 here.